Showing posts with label Evolution. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Evolution. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 18, 2009

"But false prophets also arose amomg the people..."



In a USA Today opinion piece titled “We Believe in Evolution—and God,” two "Christian evolutionists" send a broadside our way. But do they bring up anything new?

www.answersingenesis.org

The authors of the piece are Eastern Nazarene College professor Karl Giberson (whom we wrote about last November) and Point Loma Nazarene University professor Darrel Falk. Both are co-presidents of the new BioLogos Foundation established by Christian evolutionist Francis Collins (see the May 16 edition of News to Note).

The two begin with an unsurprising assertion: “We find no contradiction between the scientific understanding of the world, and the belief that God created that world. And that includes Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.” They add that molecules-to-man evolution “unifies the entire science of biology,” and that “evolution is as well-established within biology as heliocentricity is established within astronomy.” Then they bring out their biggest guns:

The “science” undergirding this “young earth creationism” comes from a narrow, literalistic and relatively recent interpretation of Genesis, the first book in the Bible. This “science” is on display in the Creation Museum in Kentucky, where friendly dinosaurs—one with a saddle!—cavort with humans in the Garden of Eden. . . . Science faculty at schools such as Bryan College in Tennessee and Liberty University in Virginia work on “models” to shoehorn the 15 billion year history of the universe into the past 10,000 years.

And hence the misinformation begins, which we will answer in turn. Here, we wonder if Giberson and Falk dismiss plain readings of other Bible passages as “narrow” and “literalistic” even if those passages, like Genesis 1 show the hallmarks of being plainly worded historical accounts. And the early church fathers’ supposed doubt concerning a literal Genesis has also been dramatically exaggerated (see The Early Church on Creation). Also, as we have explained before, the saddled dinosaur in the Creation Museum is not an exhibit, but rather a fun photo opportunity for young children; it is in the basement, far from the Garden of Eden display. And the authors merely beg the question when they write that our friends at Bryan College, Liberty University, and elsewhere must “shoehorn” old-earth ideas into a young-earth framework.

Challenging accepted ideas is how America churns out Nobel Prize-winning science and patents that will drive tomorrow’s technology. But challenging authority can also undermine this country’s leadership in science, when citizens reject it. . . . [We aim] to counter the voices coming from places such as the website Answers in Genesis, which touts creation scientists, and the Discovery Institute, a think tank in Seattle, that calls on Christians to essentially choose between science and faith.

First of all, the professors have conflated operational science with origins science—a common problem we point out. Also we have made clear many times that we certainly do not reject science; we just do not believe that everything labeled “science” or that everything believed by scientists actually is good, objective science. Likewise, we regularly emphasize that the supposed dichotomy between religion (or faith) and science is false. The issue is not that we fight the encroachment of science; rather, we believe that one’s starting point is an inherently religious belief that determines how one interprets the results of the scientific method.

Darwin proposed the theory of evolution in 1859 in On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection. This controversial text presented evidence that present-day life forms have descended from common ancestors via natural selection. Organisms better adapted to their environments had more offspring, and these fitness adaptations accumulated across the millennia. And this is how new species arose.

Natural selection is a readily observed, experimentally verified scientific fact that requires no historical speculation, and as such, our Creation Museum has an exhibit that explains it. We agree that natural selection can lead to new species within a kind as it reduces the genetic information in a population, resulting in sexual incompatibility where there previously was none. But Darwin and those who follow him extrapolate backward from these observations all the way to a single ancestor of all life. That assertion can never be proved right or wrong from fossils or any other present-day scientific study.

We are trained scientists who believe in God, but we also believe that science provides reliable information about nature. We don’t view evolution as sinister and atheistic. We think it is simply God’s way of creating. . . . Evolution is not a chaotic and wasteful process, as the critics charge.

We agree that the scientific method can show certain hypotheses to be more reliable than others through the process of attempted falsification. However, “science” does not provide anything—saying as much is to commit the fallacy of reification. We also would ask if the authors believe in the true, bodily resurrection of Jesus, given that such is as “scientifically” unverifiable as creation. Next, by using the word “sinister,” the authors imply that young-earth creationists are afraid of evolution. Rather, we understand the idea of evolution; it is simply that we don’t believe it is true for biblical and logical reasons. And the authors seem to be deluding themselves by writing that evolution is not “chaotic and wasteful,” given that young-earth creationists believe God created a world of life in one week without any death. The fossil record, however, is a record of death and includes evidence of violence and disease, such as cancer. Why would God call that “very good” if death is an enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26) introduced by sin, which could not have occurred before man (Romans 5:12–14)?

We understand science as a gift from God to explore the creation, a companion revelation enriching the understanding of God we get from other sources, such as the Bible. Many do not realize that making the Bible into a textbook of modern science is a recent development. What we learn from science cannot threaten our belief in God as the creator. If God created the universe in a [b]ig [b]ang 15 billion years ago, guided its development with elegant mathematical laws so that eventually there would be big-brained mammals exploring things such as beauty, morality and truth, then let us celebrate that idea, not reject it.

Again, we agree that science can help us explore creation. But the authors’ description of it as a “companion revelation” forces a question: is everything reported in a scientific journal automatically as valid as Scripture? What about when the two come into conflict—such as if an archaeologist alleges that the Bible’s history is inaccurate? Again, the church fathers overwhelmingly believed in a recent creation as the Bible taught. And of course we do not make the Bible a “textbook of modern science,” since it is a book of history. And again, the authors fallaciously reify “science.” What Richard Dawkins believes the scientific method shows certainly does threaten one’s belief in God. Finally, there is the word if: “If God created the universe in a [b]ig [b]ang 15 billion years ago . . . .” The authors seem to misunderstand our perspective entirely, again, falsely implying that our position is due to fear or unwillingness to consider what it would mean to celebrate the big bang, etc.

Sadly, the visibility of Giberson and Falk’s piece will surely misinform many who don’t actually know what we and other young-earth creationists believe. Even while lobbying tired old defenses of theistic evolution, the authors did not answer a single of our substantive problems with compromise (which are documented in the articles linked below). Still, we are thankful for the continued attention on the Creation Museum, which continues to be the best chance many have for beginning to understand the creationist’s perspective—and for meeting the Creator.

I'm sure these guys don't represent the views of most Nazarenes. Not the ones I know anyway. This just shows what happens when some within the church try to compromise with the worldviews espoused in institutions of "higher" learning. Evolution is a religion, not a science.Science has natural laws and reasonable explanations to back it up. Its a matter of which religion we choose.Personally I believe in the literal six day creation.Some believe in longer periods of time. When we use the Bible first to interpret events, things tend to make more sense than when trying to make science "fit" the Bible. 2 Peter 2:1 gives us some surprising insights about our day,"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you...What do you think?"keith 1 Cor 13

Saturday, March 7, 2009

Australia, Obama, and Ota Benga



I was reading the Evansville Courier today and found this article on Willie Morse, who served as a "Buffalo Soldier" during WWII. Willie, who you see pictured on the right, is 81 years old now. His mother, who lived to be 101, came to America on a slave ship from Africa. The fact that we gave names like "Buffalo Soldier" to those who fought with us for our freedom is anathema to me.

This past November marked the first time in our history as a nation that we elected an African-American to the highest office in the land. This event shows we have come a long way since the days of slavery, the first time a human being was thought of as property at his owner's disposal in this nation. No, I don't agree with most of the President's social and economic policies. Our teleprompter in chief doesn't quite seem to "get it' when it comes to moral reform. But, we as Americans can be proud we have made some progress.

Darwinism and the "theory" of evolution have fueled many of the racist movements over the past couple of centuries. Just look at Hitler and others and all the evil associated with their ideas. I agree with Ken Ham,of Answers in Genesis Ministries. Race is actually a word favored mostly by evolutionists. I like his choice "people groups" far better. After all, unless we are from another planet, we all belong to the human race.

One of the most extreme examples of Darwinist racism is the story of Ota Benga. Ota Benga was a Congolese pygmie caught in the Congo and placed in a New York Zoo in 1906. He was placed in a cage for everyone's amusement. The movies "Quigley Down Under" and the recent "Australia" give an excellent portrayel how the Congolese and Aborigine people have been treated over the years.

As Wesleyans we can be proud that we were among the first to admit women and African-Americans to our colleges and universities. Wesley summed it up best in his qoute you find under his picture on this blogspot,"Where is the justice in inflicting the severist evils on those that have done us no wrong."

Yes, we have made some progress and should keep striving for that ideal of equality among everyone. In the process, let us not forget those living among us in their mother's womb, and pray that one day they will be given the same rights...keith 1 Cor 13

Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Inherently Wind-Evolutionists at it Again


New York Times: “Boycott by Science Group Over Louisiana Law Seen as Door to Teaching Creationism”
"Some evolutionists are taking the culture war over origins to the next step: boycotting an entire U.S. state in protest of the state’s education laws.
The state is Louisiana, where last summer Governor Bobby Jindal signed a law allowing teachers to “use supplemental textbooks . . . to help students critique and review scientific theories,” though the bill clarified that it should not be used to “promote any religious doctrine.” Of course, any language suggesting critical thinking or open discussion of any science sounds alarms among evolutionists, who want to keep all questions out of evolutionary indoctrination"…keith 1 Cor 13